Beating Podcast Procrastination: Ida Radovanovic's Productivity Tips

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Hi, and welcome to podcasting one on one with Rachel.

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businesses and want to start a podcast or who may already have a podcast.

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started and managing it along the way.

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real insight into what it's like.

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Have

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Hi,

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and welcome to this week's episode today I have with me Ida and she is

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from the, the founder of Playground.

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Ida blends gamification, accountability buddies, and research based productivity

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tips to help people work on what is meaningful to them and spark closeness.

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And it's unusual, but power, powerful mix versus procrastination.

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Welcome, Ida.

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It's really, really great to have you here on the podcast.

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How are you?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:01:13

Hi, Rachael.

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Yeah, that was a lot of big words for my playground.

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Yes, I am the founder of this unusual platform for anti procrastination.

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And I called it a playground because I want to remind myself and maybe you as

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well, what is really important and how we can do our business in a different way.

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Yeah.

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I like that.

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I like the, I like it saying playground.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:01:43

Yes.

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You know, like, how can we play more with what?

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What we are creating, because of course we care a lot about what we make.

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And sometimes in the creating process, we can get a little bit rigid and

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perfectionistic, but if we go back to it this is something I think that most

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of us choose and that we care about.

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So how can we have that a little bit of a different mindset

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towards it, that not take it so seriously and enjoy the process?

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Yeah, sometimes it can be, it can feel like a painful

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process if we're especially trying to do something that we might not necessarily

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want to get started for whatever reason.

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So how did you come to get into being a solo business owner?

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You know, I see that you were in you have a corporate background.

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What made you make the shift into, you know, a solo business owner?

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Well I was in a corporate world for like 12 years,

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but it was always in my mind thinking of what, what I really want to be

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doing, like what is really meaningful.

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To me and you know, especially during Corona, I think when we were stuck

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and when we were thinking about that a lot, what we really care

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about this is when this became more obvious or I can be totally honest.

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It's not that at this time I had this idea and I was like, okay, let's do it.

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No.

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I have quit my job just before Corona and wanted to be a social entrepreneur.

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So I wanted to create have a business that also supports, you know,

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the planet and the people and is profitable in tourism, but since we

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got locked, that was not possible.

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I was back

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at the drawing board.

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But I definitely knew that my next step was something.

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That I was really going to create from my heart.

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And I was in the situation of being in a new situation, being alone.

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And so, how can you surpass that and start creating and take those risks?

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And then, okay, start, but also continue.

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So, that mix of, like, creating something.

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Meaningful than leaning on someone else and also kind of not taking yourself

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too seriously while you're doing it.

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Those are all the elements of how I wish the world would be more

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like and this is why I'm also making my playground so we can.

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together do all of that.

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So who are the main kinds of people that you're helping

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with the work that you're doing?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:04:16

Well, I help people usually solopreneurs or maybe somebody

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who wants to work on their side hustle.

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Or maybe somebody on a passion project.

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So it doesn't necessarily have to be related to, you know, like a

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monetary thing, but maybe you would just really like to start creating

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a podcast and you're postponing it.

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And now you arrive and you get connected with somebody

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who is in a similar situation.

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So this is your accountability buddy.

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And then you're in this together and you enter a system that I created.

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So for three months you are progressing week by week, committing what you will do.

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So it's very specific, very simple.

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And you're also playing games.

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So and maybe now you wonder what, how do games come in,

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come into this whole equation.

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It's not like the Super Mario and points and all of this because some of my

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friends thought this is what happens.

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No.

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These are more like conversation and get to know your games so that you actually

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talk about your what you are creating or maybe what you are not creating.

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Via a game, so that you relax, you're you know, a little bit more of an authentic

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self, you get new ideas being in a let's say framework where you're playing versus

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like delivering and tasks really helps.

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To keep us to start and to keep us going and to connect us to the other

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person who is in the similar situation.

Rachael Botfield: 00:05:48

Yeah, I think that's important, isn't it?

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Having, I do like having an accountability person there.

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I think it does, it does work.

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I, I feel that's something that helps me as well.

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I attend some accountability sessions where we just kind of sit on zoom, but we

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all have a thing that we need to get done.

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And, and, you know, we, we do that thing in that hour.

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So I, I.

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I really like that method of working.

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So obviously since I met you and heard about you and got to know

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you a little bit more about being anti procrastination, I thought it

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would make a really great episode.

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That's why we're here.

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For all of you that haven't started your podcast yet, and maybe

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procrastinating on certain tasks to get it finished or to even start it.

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So I wanted either to come along and.

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a little bit about what she does.

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And also she's going to be giving us some tips and advice around what you

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can do to, for some, so how you can move forward with your, your podcast

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project, whatever that may be, however, whatever state is in currently.

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So what would be your first kind of tip Ida?

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I have so many, but I tried to downsize so that you get

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something specific that you can, you know, take away from, from this episode.

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Although I just spoke to Rachel and I said that I will talk about the four,

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but then we will put a secret little link for an extra tip inside the notes.

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Yeah.

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So we can, you can look out for that in the show notes on the

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website and on your podcast apps.

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Because, you know, of course you will listen through

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all the tips, maybe you will know some of them, but more importantly

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it is that you action something out.

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So if nothing from the listening, you can action the one, the secret

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little link one middle of the notes.

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And that's what you want to do to beat that

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procrastination is follow through and do that actionable thing.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:07:39

Yes.

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We get out of our heads, you know?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So, so I do want to give you something pragmatic and something that you can use.

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So I was thinking about these four tips.

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So the first one being if you are starting something or, you know, if you're in this

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situation, Oh, I just can't seem to start.

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And maybe it is that you would.

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You want to start your podcast, maybe you're back from holidays and

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you need to restart your projects.

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Or maybe you are a business owner and then you have a podcast, but

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you now need to start promoting it.

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So we are all starting something, right?

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And so the, the first tip would be to start with something really

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small and also very specific.

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So, again, I'm going to give an example because I think those work really well.

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So instead of being like, oh, I should really come up with

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some kind of content strategy.

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Something really small would be, I'm going to spend five minutes

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brainstorming ideas for content.

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So the small thing should really be something that you can't say no to.

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I mean, everybody has five minutes, right?

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Yep.

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Yep, absolutely.

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And then also make it very specific so that you can,

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you know, be honest with yourself.

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Did I do this or I didn't do this?

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So you've got your item, you can tick off and

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say, right, I have done that.

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In that five minutes,

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exactly, because, you know, the counter example would be

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like, Oh, I'm going to do a research.

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Okay.

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But what, where, when, how long, you know, so just be pick something small that you

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won't procrastinate and make it specific.

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So that's the first step.

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Then the second one that I also see people have often is that we have so many things

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that on our to do lists, or maybe we have a lot of ideas that we are excited about.

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This is also a great situation to have but then again, we don't begin.

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So what we can do there is to use a planning system.

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Maybe you already have.

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Something that you like.

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What I use on my playground, and what I personally also use when I'm working, and

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I work alone are two different things.

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So one is called a woop.

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I don't know if you've heard of it, Rachel, before.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:10:06

No, no, I've

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not heard of that one.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:10:09

Yes.

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So apart from having, I like to say a very cool name, like whoop whoop,

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you know, immediately like tears you on, it is a, like scientifically

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scientifically proven method, which helps us move from like this wishful

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thinking into actually having a plan.

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And it stands for WOOP.

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So first you think of your wish.

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And the best possible outcome, you know, when they tell us all, like, think about,

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you know, like visualize and there's all the positive stuff, that's good,

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but it's not enough, science tells us.

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So then the next step from that is also to do, to brainstorm all the obstacles.

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So, okay, this is really great, but you know that you do this to yourself,

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like the inner critic, you know, is telling you, yeah, Rachel, but

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okay, now I don't have time or like, I don't know, whatever it could be.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So you come.

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Right?

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So you then contrast these two and make a plan.

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And if you want, for our listeners, maybe we can try to do a mini test

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where Rachel does her first WOOP now.

Rachael Botfield: 00:11:18

Yeah.

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I'm up for that.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:11:20

Yes.

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So the first step, and you guys can maybe think about your own is what kind of,

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so what is your wish for this podcast?

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Can it be, does it need to be something really specific?

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Like, Yeah.

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Or is it just like a general wish?

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No,

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this is like the grandiose, this is the video.

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Like, oh, a wish, that my podcast was.

Rachael Botfield: 00:11:37

Okay, so what was my wish for this podcast?

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I, oh,

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I would, I suppose, I just want to help, help everyone get their podcast started.

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So I guess my wish.

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For this podcast is to build a community around the podcast.

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So the there's, it's helping have that tangible thing of being able

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to knowing that I'm out there and giving this information to help people

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move forward with their podcast.

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So I'd like to kind of build a community around it.

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Okay.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:12:11

I love it.

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And now be honest with us.

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So what is your, like, obstacle?

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What is your internal obstacle that, you know, on those days when you're

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not doing it, what is telling you?

Rachael Botfield: 00:12:23

My internal obstacle is that no one's going to turn up.

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That's my, like, if I started, you know, a Facebook group, because I

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know a lot of podcasts do that to help build community that no one

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would come talk to me in there.

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So that's my, I guess that's my big obstacle.

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Yeah, that would be my main one of creating a community

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specifically around this podcast.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:12:45

Okay.

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And then the plan would be that.

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Okay, and you need to think about it this way.

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You should think, okay, I really want to have this amazing community and

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to support people, but I have also this fear that nobody will show up.

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And then, now you do an if.

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So, if I think that nobody will show up, then, and now you come

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up with some kind of an action.

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What could it be?

Rachael Botfield: 00:13:08

Why no one would show up or?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:13:10

Yeah, like what comes to my mind, it could be that

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I will remind myself of all the other times when people did show up.

Rachael Botfield: 00:13:17

Oh, right.

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Yes.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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Yes, that's true.

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Okay.

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I would remind myself, you know, that I've had, I've spoken to different people that

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have listened to the podcast and they have told me that they really enjoy it and they

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got something out of it and that if they had any other questions they'd ask me.

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So I guess just to remind myself of that.

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I've had, you know, some people have said that.

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So it must be helping somebody, hopefully.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:13:43

I'm sure you are.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:13:46

Oh, you know, for example, with the, because you also smiled at the

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busy thing, because we are all busy.

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So if you feel like, oh, but I'm too busy to now be, you know, I don't know,

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reaching out to people, creating, like making these content strategies, then

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I can, you know, carve out a time in my calendar and actually block that too.

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Do X, Y, Z, you know, so it is a little bit of that kind of a process.

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So you can, you sit down, you go through what you would really love

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this to be, what is the ideal outcome?

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Then you let your inner inner critique go and then you make a plan.

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So what you will do.

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So that's, for example that this really helps you.

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This planning system helps you with kind of a mindset to go forward.

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Then we have another planning system which is called backwards goal planning.

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And this is really cool because instead of like, okay, I should do this and

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this and this, you go, or you're like, I need to publish an episode.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:14:40

Okay.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:14:40

But before publishing an episode, what do I need to do?

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You're like, I need a speaker.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:14:45

Okay.

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But before I need a speaker, what do I need?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:14:47

Oh, I probably need to research speakers or find some people.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:14:51

Okay.

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But before that, and you know, you go step by step by step, which

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then leads you to your first step.

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So now you have a plan on how you will.

Rachael Botfield: 00:15:01

Yeah, I like that, they're working backwards from

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it, sometimes that's easy because you'll start, sometimes it's the

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staring at the blank page, isn't it?

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You're going, I've got to come up with the first thing, whereas if

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you, if you start with the outcome that you want, then working backwards

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can help, can help with that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:15:18

Yeah, that's great, I like that one.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:15:21

Cool.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:15:22

I hope, you know, like maybe these not each one will be relevant for

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everyone, but maybe people can find different angles that will support them.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:15:29

Yeah.

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Then a third tip that I had, you know, is if you are like, okay, I'll post,

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or I will publish, or I will like when, and then you're kind of not doing it.

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This one is just a little bit more like.

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to try to work with less perfectionism and more kindness towards yourself.

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And then, you know, kindness can be like that you take a break, or like,

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kindness can be that you go walk in the park, or like, maybe let it sleep over.

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Because when we get short, like, okay, like I'm moving, I know I'm creating on

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my website, I move the colors a little bit, this a little bit, it takes ages.

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But sometimes you need to kind of step back.

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Or the other one, which I really like is to make it a little bit like a game.

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You know, how can you make it more exciting?

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And this one is not a podcast related example, but for example, I really

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procrastinate with washing dishes.

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So, so I found a small system for myself or a game that I

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and it goes different ways.

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But I choose a favorite song and then I am racing against my song to see how

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many dishes I can wash in this one song.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:16:41

Oh,

Rachael Botfield: 00:16:41

that's really funny.

Rachael Botfield: 00:16:41

That's really good.

Rachael Botfield: 00:16:42

Actually.

Rachael Botfield: 00:16:42

That's a good way to make it more fun.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:16:45

And you know, when you zoom out, actually, you know,

Ida Radovanovic: 00:16:48

then like a, let's say a little bit of a philosophical thing here is then

Ida Radovanovic: 00:16:51

you see that this thing that you're postponing, that's draining you, which

Ida Radovanovic: 00:16:54

what we do with our tasks actually took.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:16:57

three minutes of a song.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:16:59

So sometimes it's good to be reminded, you know, all this energy that

Ida Radovanovic: 00:17:02

goes into worrying or spiraling or overthinking versus like do it and

Ida Radovanovic: 00:17:07

okay, that's perfect or something fun.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:17:09

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:09

Yeah, I do.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:10

I find that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:11

Well, so sometimes when my husband, this is not podcast related, but

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:14

sometimes when my husband's away a lot and I've got the kids and cooking

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:17

team, I'm really tired and I was like, Oh, I just can't be bothered.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:19

But then I think, no, I'm going to put up.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:21

I, this is when I kind of listened to podcasts as well.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:25

I think Whatever podcast I want to catch up on and then I

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:28

kind of get absorbed in that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:29

So even though I didn't want to do it, I think actually I've managed to listen to

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:34

a podcast episode that I really wanted to listen to and I've learned something or

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:37

I've had a laugh or something like that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:39

And then also I've cooked tea and not just gone, Oh, I'm just going to eat something

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:42

rubbish or, you know, buy something easy.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:44

So that was, I kind of do that similar thing there to cry and

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:48

egg myself on to do something.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:50

But I do also.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:52

Agree with you about taking a break sometimes or when

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:55

you do get in your own head.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:57

When I first, when I first niched into podcasting and I had my virtually

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:03

inspiring podcast, which was I just wanted to start a podcast and I was

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:06

interviewing other virtual assistants.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:08

And I've got really in my head about like releasing the

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:11

episodes and am I doing it right?

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:13

I've not done it right before, but I want to be a podcast manager.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:16

Shouldn't I know all these kind of things and like.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:19

That really got in my head about it.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:20

And I thought just in the end I was like, you know what, just, just get it

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:23

out there and see what people think.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:24

And, you know, you get, you have to just get over that little thing.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:27

And, and often that does, you know, like you've bonged it up, you've let it go

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:31

and actually makes you feel a lot better.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:33

So yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:34

Taking, taking a break or just hit and go and then go, right.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:37

I'm gonna hit go and turn my computer off and then it's all gonna be fine.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:42

, and of course it is always fine, but

Ida Radovanovic: 00:18:44

You know what they say that post a ghost on

Ida Radovanovic: 00:18:46

Instagram, I do it as well.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:48

I was, I had a real thing about posting on Instagram

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:50

when I first started my business.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:52

I was kind of like, who wants to hear from me?

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:54

And what if I say something wrong and I mean, not that I say very, you know,

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:58

outrageous things or anything like that for people to be trolling me or anything,

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:02

but not that it takes much apparently.

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:04

I know a lot of other people I see that are, you know, getting.

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:07

trolled and, or told LinkedIn isn't a, not Facebook and things,

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:12

but that really held me back.

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:14

But then I guess, cause I, I decided just to do it to just be brave,

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:18

post them in there and then started to build a community of people.

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:21

Cause obviously it started out with, with zero people, you know, going into

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:25

the online space, but then you find, you start finding your tribe, finding

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:29

those people that you connect with and.

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:30

then it becomes a much more friendlier place, but it's, unless you start kind

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:35

of doing it, you, you know, you're not going to get over that first hurdle.

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:40

So it's trying to find a way that's going to get you over that first

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:43

hurdle of your procrastination.

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:45

And then hopefully.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:19:48

And what about all those people, you know, who are

Ida Radovanovic: 00:19:50

missing out because you are waiting there and, you know, fixing like

Ida Radovanovic: 00:19:53

a tiny little editing team or, you

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:56

know?

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:56

Yeah, absolutely.

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:57

That's with website as well.

Rachael Botfield: 00:19:59

I think I did get, I've had mine done recently and my amazing

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:03

friend, Hannah helped me with the design and she supported me with a

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:06

copy, but my first one, I just did it myself, very rough and ready.

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:11

And I just.

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:12

Just hit go and I thought I'm just going to, otherwise I was

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:14

never, like you say, never going to get that information out there.

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:16

It was a great place to point people to, but if you spend too

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:20

much time, yeah, can hold you back.

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:22

And, you know, it is messy doing stuff, running your own business and, you

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:27

know, putting yourself out there doing podcasts or whatever your, your passion

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:30

project is, or, you know, business.

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:32

It is, it does make you feel, especially it's the first time you're doing, it

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:35

does make you feel a bit vulnerable.

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:36

And.

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:37

you know, doing those things.

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:38

So, and it only, I suppose, it only gets easier than you

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:41

get to kind of the next level.

Rachael Botfield: 00:20:43

And then you

Ida Radovanovic: 00:20:44

have something new.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:20:46

Exactly, exactly.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:20:49

Yes.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:20:49

You know, with the perfectionism, I mean.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:20:52

I keep, I keep reminding myself I have a playground exactly for this reason and

Ida Radovanovic: 00:20:58

I say now I like write it 80 percent is good enough and I kind of pride myself

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:03

when I can and I feel so free to publish something that's 80 percent good enough.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:09

So, you know, I think a different angle, like, yes, go out with something

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:12

that you are, Oh, it's not according to your standards, a hundred percent.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:15

So what?

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:17

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:17

But you could always be searching for that a hundred percent though, can't you?

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:20

It's like, well, there's always something that you could find wrong with it.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:23

Something that doesn't look quite right.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:25

And then you just, like I say, that's when you just don't do anything about it then.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:28

So,

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:29

yeah.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:29

And sometimes it even drains you so much that now you're no longer

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:33

Want to publish it or enjoy it.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:35

Like this great idea now became something that like sucked life out of you.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:39

Yeah, we don't want that.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:41

No.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:21:42

We want you to be creating

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:43

long term.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:44

Yeah, exactly.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:44

And I think that's potentially what a podcast could become if you know,

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:50

you, you're already running your own business, you're busy with clients.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:53

You've got to market yourself as well.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:55

And, you know, you're thinking, can I add this extra thing?

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:58

in for my business, being realistic about it.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:00

But also you don't want to make this awesome idea you had for a podcast

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:05

with probably this great content.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:06

It's going to build your authority.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:08

You're going to connect more with your dream clients.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:10

It's also going to help you with your marketing.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:11

You can repurpose your podcast.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:13

So it will be, it will help you, but you don't want to turn it

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:16

into like a chain around your neck and then you don't, you know.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:19

Like you said, sucking all the joy out of your life or your business having it, you

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:23

want to make it a positive, exciting thing to do a podcast and get that started.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:28

Exactly.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:29

And I think it's a little bit like exercising as well.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:31

You know, it's not like, okay, you started doing something, you're not

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:34

going to have muscles immediately.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:36

Yeah.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:37

I mean, you will have to continue going and doing the training

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:41

and that's part of the journey.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:42

So yeah, you get, you sustain your wellbeing because we are.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:48

Like whole beings.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:49

We are not just our product.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:51

We are not just our podcast.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:52

We are not, we need to be there long term.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:22:55

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:56

Yeah, absolutely.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:57

Looking at it like the bit, you know, the, the full picture of everything

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:00

that's, that's kind of going on.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:02

Those are great.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:03

I had, you have one more tip.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:05

Excellent.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:05

Go

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:05

on.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:06

We have one more.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:06

This was three.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:07

This was three and we have that extra one.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:10

So my last one is that you know, there are just some of those days when you're

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:13

like, oh, but I don't feel like doing it.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:17

So when you feel like that, or maybe you're a little bit lonely, you know?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:21

So I say on those days remind yourself how important it is to connect with others.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:28

So this could be that you're a part of a community, like what you're doing, go back

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:32

to your community, to see what others are.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:34

Posting, sharing resources, what's helping them, or or get an accountability body.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:40

Those are I have found those to be really important and they

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:44

serve kind of different purposes.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:45

So I'm part of several communities, but I also have my own accountability buddy.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:50

Because with one on one interaction with the person who is there to listen

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:55

to you, but also you kind of, you know, that you will meet them in one

Ida Radovanovic: 00:23:59

week and they will ask you, did you do your thing and you, and you don't

Ida Radovanovic: 00:24:05

want to like stand them up and you want to also be accountable to yourself.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:24:09

So that really, really helps and makes a

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:12

difference.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:13

Yeah, we were saying before we hit record.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:14

I love that accountability thing.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:16

My friend Hannah, who I mentioned before, she had, she loved, she rephrased it like

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:20

accountabilibuddy, which I really love.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:23

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:24

So we so she was, I was doing her set up for success course earlier this year.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:29

And she was my accountability for getting my copy done for my website.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:34

You know, we decided on a timeframe.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:36

So that was really, and then getting that feedback as well,

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:39

I think is really valuable.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:40

So you can, you can be that for each other with, with feedback if you

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:44

want to get and it just makes it.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:48

Sometimes it's really nice to get another set of eyes on what you're doing as

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:51

well and, and getting that support.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:53

And yeah, so that's a really great, a really great recommendation.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:24:57

Exactly because friends, of course they want to support

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:00

you and you can tell them your things, but somebody who is in a similar

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:03

situation just knows what you're.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:05

Going through, and some of us don't even necessarily have that person.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:09

So, but now when you have this, and you know what friends, they

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:12

kind of cut you slack sometimes.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:14

Yeah.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:15

Yeah.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:16

I didn't know that you had a billy, but how did, how did you call it, Rachel?

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:20

Accountabilibuddy.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:22

Okay, it's a little bit hard to pronounce, but yes,

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:25

that, then it's just different.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:28

And you know that you're not alone in it because all the other

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:32

tips that I told you before, you know, any kind of education or.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:36

To do lists or my calendar or my Trello.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:39

I use all of them.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:40

I love all of them.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:41

But again, with those, I'm again alone.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:44

So, and it makes a difference to have somebody live there, like a

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:49

live person that listens to you.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:51

Maybe just listen, doesn't even need to give you feedback.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:55

But you can air out your thoughts, you can hear yourself and you can

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:58

commit then to the next thing.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:25:59

So,

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:00

yeah, I, I do think, agree about if, you know, being in a

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:03

similar situation to business wise as well, because you kind of, because you're

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:08

in, you just have that relatability there for somebody, like say with your

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:12

friends or your partner or anything like that, they're not in, if they don't

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:15

have the same, you know, experience as you, it's, it's, it's a bit different.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:19

So it's nice having that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:20

You know, something that's the same between you and you know, you're

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:23

both trying to achieve something and

Ida Radovanovic: 00:26:26

yeah, yes, no.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:26:27

One friend told me when I was starting this business, he said, yeah, you

Ida Radovanovic: 00:26:31

know, when you break a leg, of course you will go to the doctor, but

Ida Radovanovic: 00:26:35

doctor can't really understand it.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:26:36

Somebody else who broke the leg that really knows what you're going through.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:26:39

Yeah, that's true.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:26:41

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:42

Yeah, that is true.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:43

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:43

Unless they broke the leg themselves, you have that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:47

That's yeah, well, those are awesome tips.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:48

Yeah,

Ida Radovanovic: 00:26:51

they will both help you, but it will be just different

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:54

help.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:54

Yeah, differently.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:55

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:55

It's that perspective, isn't it?

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:57

Getting that perspective on, on what you're doing.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:01

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:02

Well, those tips are really, really great.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:04

And as Ida mentioned earlier, we're going to put.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:06

So a little secret tip in there as well in the show notes, you can

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:10

click on the link and download that resource for you to help you do an

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:15

actionable thing for your business.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:17

So you can move forward in your procrastination.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:21

Also Ida has run some courses or cohorts, don't you, to help people with

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:26

their projects and procrastination.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:28

So do you want to tell us a little bit about how you, how

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:30

that all works and how it helps?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:27:33

Mm hmm, sure.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:27:34

So, I have the anti procrastination program.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:27:38

It lasts for 13 weeks or 3 months, and it is for people who come with a particular

Ida Radovanovic: 00:27:45

project that they want to work on, so something that you're maybe offering.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:27:48

Putting off, or, you know, it could be something that you really love and you

Ida Radovanovic: 00:27:52

want to start, or maybe some part of your business that you're like, oh, I

Ida Radovanovic: 00:27:56

really don't want to do admin, but it's also part of my business and I need

Ida Radovanovic: 00:27:59

to so then I connect people to become accountability buddies and they meet

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:05

once a week, but it's not just like that.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:08

People get connected.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:09

Each meeting is very structured, so it's actually a system.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:13

So you can, you need to specify right.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:16

down what you will do until next week.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:19

And that's, so that's always an outcome.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:21

So you know what you're doing next.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:23

And then when you come back, then you are asked, okay, did you do it?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:26

Did you not do it?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:27

What did you learn?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:28

So this is really important that we also reflect on what we, what

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:31

went well, what didn't go well.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:34

Yeah.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:34

But apart from that, you know there is also this creative element of games.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:39

So that you can talk about your creation.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:41

So in the first one, for example, you talk about why is this even important for you?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:46

And this is a major procrastination tip because when you don't feel like

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:50

doing it, if you know that why, well, you know, like Rachel, you're like,

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:53

but now I'm creating this community.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:55

And like, if, if I'm not doing this and all of these people, okay, I

Ida Radovanovic: 00:28:59

don't know if they will be lost, but it's certainly very helpful.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:02

Then this really helps you.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:04

to continue creating.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:06

Then in the second one, we have a game around planning.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:09

Then in the third one, we have a game around what are you good at?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:13

So how can you capitalize on your strengths?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:16

So those are the kind of things that we do in the program.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:19

And we will start in the last week of October.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:23

So it's coming up soon, and it sounds like a great

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:27

way to move forward with that big project you've been putting off.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:31

Ida has a little gift for you if you decide to join her

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:34

program.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:35

Yes, the little extra thing that I want to add to support you to stop

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:39

procrastinating is that I'm also including a little discount so that

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:45

you can decide today or tomorrow that if you want to start working on your

Ida Radovanovic: 00:29:51

project you even have that little extra

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:54

benefit.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:55

Oh, that's really kind Ida.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:56

So that's for all the listeners.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:57

If you're interested in taking part in Ida's program, then there will be

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:01

a discount, there'll be a link and all the information you'll be able

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:04

to find in the show notes and all of where you can connect with Ida as well.

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:09

And yeah, thank you so much for coming on.

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:12

Do you want to just tell us quickly, where do you hang out the most,

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:14

where people can find you the most?

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:16

Well, I am mostly on Instagram, but if you prefer LinkedIn,

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:21

you can also contact me there.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:23

So on Instagram, I share a lot of tips tips like these, tips

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:27

that you can try, simple tips.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:29

So that simple and free tips.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:31

So maybe you want to do that first before joining the program.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:33

Yeah.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:34

It's totally up to you.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:35

As long as you start.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:36

Working on that thing that you're not doing.

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:39

Yes, that is absolutely true.

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And that's brilliant.

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:42

So yeah, we'll pop all your Instagram and links in the show notes, like I just said.

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And yeah, thanks so much for coming on and we'll see everybody soon.

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Bye.

Ida Radovanovic: 00:30:50

Bye.

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