Podcast Interview Tips and the Importance of Community with Kendall Breitman

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Hi everyone and welcome to this week's episode.

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I have the lovely Kendall Breitman here with me today.

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She is a community manager from Riverside.

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fm.

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For all of you that might not know what Riverside.

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fm is, it is a, Online recording studio for podcasts and video podcasts.

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It's exactly what we're recording on now.

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It's something, a platform that I decided to invest in this year.

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And I'm very glad that I did.

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So I met Kendall and we've been talking and connecting and she has

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very kindly decided to agree to come on the podcast and talk to everybody.

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We were going to have a little chat today about interview techniques

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how you can be a, a good interviewer for your podcast.

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Do you want to just introduce yourself a little bit more?

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So everyone knows a little bit more about you, Kendall.

Kendall Breitman: 00:00:51

Yeah, for sure.

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So as you said, Kendall community manager at Riverside and to back

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it up a bit, kind of why we had decided on this topic about interview

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questions is right podcasting space, but before I got into this industry.

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My background is actually in journalism, so I was a television and news producer

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for Bloomberg and for MSNBC and Politico focusing on political coverage, but

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yeah, you'd be actually, I guess you wouldn't be surprised on how difficult

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it is to really formulate an interview when it's about politics, especially

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with people who have rehearsed answers or who are doing a lot of interviews.

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Or people who have never interviewed before, like a

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voter or something like that.

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So my experience as far as interviewing goes kind of, kind of runs the gambit.

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So I'm happy to talk about any of that.

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And then as far as Riverside, yeah, as you said, it's a recording and editing

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platform for video for podcasts and just.

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Really is able to, because you have remote interviews, you're able to interview more

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people, get a diverse range of stories.

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And so this kind of just feels like a real, a good topic to kind of distill

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all of, all these thoughts into.

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So excited to dive into it.

Rachael Botfield: 00:02:07

I, I know I just had a little look at your your background,

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but so how did you get into in just as a little bit of a, you know, interesting

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story, how did you get into that?

Kendall Breitman: 00:02:16

Yeah.

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So you mean get into journalism or go from journalism to communication?

Rachael Botfield: 00:02:21

Yeah.

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So how, how you got into journalism?

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Did, did, did it go from kind of like school age college and then straight

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out the bat and then obviously migrating now into, to this kind of space?

Kendall Breitman: 00:02:32

Yeah.

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So I actually started as a breaking news reporter for

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Politico right out of college.

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And then as we were heating up for the 2016 election, I moved over to

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Bloomberg to cover the 2016 campaign.

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And so that was like living out of a suitcase, running around the country.

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We followed every campaign.

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So it wasn't just focused on Trump or Sanders or Clinton.

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We were following them all.

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Was doing that and then after the 2016 election wrapped, move over

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to MSNBC to work on their 9 a m.

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show for a bit and then work on a Sunday show with them for a bit.

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And then actually I moved because I, I relocated to be with my wife.

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And when I did that relocation, I kind of just looked at.

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What I wanted to do because I, I didn't want to continue in journalism,

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wanted to try something new at first, I thought that the natural progression

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would be to content because, you know, journalism writing seems like a good

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fit, but what I kind of found was that.

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Professional writing wasn't exactly what I loved, but I loved about journalism

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was stories and connecting with people, having 20 conversations a day and

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leaving it saying, what's the story here, like, what is what needs to be told.

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And I actually found that that community aspect, talking to people,

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understanding people's wants and needs, feelings, emotions was actually

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what I loved about journalism.

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And so.

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When I was approached by Riverside for a community job, it just really, it was

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something I'd never even thought of, but really just kind of fit exactly what I

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love and what I wanted as somebody who is a self proclaimed extreme extrovert.

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So yeah, really, really fit everything that I, that I wanted.

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And then.

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So Did you do journalism at college?

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Did you study that and then move into?

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So I actually studied I studied journalism and political science.

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So it really, you know, couldn't have predicted the fact that I went into

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political science journalism, you know?

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So yeah, that, that's, that was my background and I got an inter

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an internship at USA Today while I was in college and that really

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just opened the door to make connections within national reporting.

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So did you learn, did you feel like when you compared to your

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college education and then going into the real life, I know that they can be two

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completely different things because you're learning about them in the safety of the

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classroom, so to speak, and then obviously being out in the wild with everybody.

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So how did you find that change with your interview skills?

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So were you, were you.

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liKe in front of the camera, like you were the, the interviewer.

Kendall Breitman: 00:05:11

So I wasn't usually in front of the camera if I were

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to take if I were to go and collect interviews, it would kind of be

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me with a microphone spotlighting voters or so part of it, I would kind

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of split it up into two different things as far as like the election.

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So part of it was.

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Going into the lines outside of let's say a Trump event and asking all of these

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voters about their thoughts and feelings.

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So they're in front of the, in front of the mic, I'm behind the mic.

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buT then there would also be the journalists that I worked with interviewed

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almost every presidential candidate.

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And their campaign director is everything like that.

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So the second part of the job would be sitting down with these bigger

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reporters and deciding the order of the questions, how to like, how to

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pin somebody down on a certain topic, researching their background and

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other interviews that they've done.

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So it would usually fall into those two buckets, either man on the street

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is what we call them or these casual or these usual sit down interviews.

Rachael Botfield: 00:06:08

That sounds so fascinating.

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I always wanted to go into journalism when I was younger.

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That was one thing that I considered myself.

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That must've been a really great learning experience straight out of college to go

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and to, especially covering the elections.

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You've got like a, such a diverse range of candidates and people

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that you would be interviewing.

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And especially if you've You know, supporting the journalists with those

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kind of questions and what to ask.

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That must've just been quite thrilling.

Kendall Breitman: 00:06:38

Exactly.

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I mean, I was like 23 years old helping come up with questions that we were to

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ask Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

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Like it was a, it was a real dream experience, but it was also cool because

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I came into journalism in my own way of just kind of learning through my

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first job and then as you work with more journalists, you get to pick

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up how they form their interviews.

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What background research they're doing.

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And so you kind of start to create your own method based on little

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pieces taken by different people.

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For example, when I went over to Bloomberg, one of my first tasks

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that I had to do was watch a ton of interviews by a news anchor.

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I won't say which one and basically figure out why they didn't love his interview

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style and what they would change about it.

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And so like really researching different people's styles, follow

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up questions, lack thereof.

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And it really just trains you on what interview did I out of those

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30 interviews, which one was my favorite and stuck out to me, and

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then really digging into why that is.

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So really coming up with the method, the formula to it.

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That would have given you a lot of experience then listening to.

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Different people giving different information on

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what works the best, I guess.

Kendall Breitman: 00:07:51

Yeah, you can listen to the same person interview

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with five different anchors and you'll get five different,

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completely different interviews.

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And even if they're asking the same questions, the way they ask them, the

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order they ask them I would really recommend watching a bunch of different

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interviews and then just writing notes on what you liked, what you didn't like.

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It really helps create your own personalized method.

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How does that then, how did you bring that into,

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I know at the moment you're working with podcasters is there a big

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difference between, because obviously like I'm not a trained journalist,

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I don't have those kind of interview skills are there a lot of podcasters

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that do have those types of skills

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I mean, it's complete, it's different mediums.

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So if you are like people on TV are looking for the soundbite, they're

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looking for something that other news organizations will take that

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bite and then add in their own thing.

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So Bernie Sanders said this earlier on NBC and then they play the clip.

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Like that's the goal is to get these really newsworthy soundbites.

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And that's also the goal in podcasting because we want to take those

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soundbites and tease out our show but.

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It's different because you're able to dive in a lot deeper in

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a podcast because people aren't watching a five minute interview.

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They're sitting down listening.

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It's much different than television in the way that you can just put your

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headphones in and just kind of kind of go about your day and have that

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podcast come with you through your day.

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So I mean, I always find that podcasts are a medium that you're able to

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expand on people's personality.

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Getting to know that person better than what you, than the goals that you

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particularly have in a news interview.

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I mean, both are trying to get a story.

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So there are, there is some overlap, but I would say that if you're like podcasting

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to such a different medium that you don't necessarily need to ask questions like

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a journalist, but if you do frame the questions in your mind like a journalist,

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you might just get better interviews.

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They might flow differently.

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Yeah.

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Like when I first started I was very nervous and

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I kept thinking of it like a big interview and, and that's kind of like

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journalist thing in my head was like, Oh, I need to interview this person.

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But obviously the type of, my first podcast was called the

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Virtually Inspiring Podcast.

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So I interviewed different virtual assistants about their

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journey and how they got there.

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So it wasn't, it wasn't like a hard hitting news podcast.

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It was a conversational one like this one is.

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So I kind of had to.

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kind of reframe my mind so I didn't make myself so nervous.

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So what I kind of like to do is have an outline of what we're going to be talking

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about, but I do like to have you know, not be so rigid in, in having to ask

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specific questions in case, you know, something comes up in conversation, you

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can, you know, part of listening to what.

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You know, your, your guest is saying, and then maybe taking a slight detour

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to what you had originally planned.

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But I know for when you're first starting, that can be quite daunting to do.

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Have you got any kind of little tips that you could suggest to somebody who's first

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starting the little things they could do?

Kendall Breitman: 00:10:58

Yeah, definitely.

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So I would say first to touch on what you were talking about

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before to know your goal.

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So if there's something, what, what's the goal of this interview?

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Is it to really like get to know this person better?

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To see them in a different light?

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Is it to like make them more personable, like really feel a

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connection with your audience?

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Or is it to get down to like, how did this person go from X to Y?

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And kind of Like laying out that goal will help keep you on track.

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And then a TV note that I have taken over to podcasting is what we'd

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sometimes encourage guests to do.

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Hosts can do this as well, is you write like three to five bullet points on what

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your main points are going to be, what you really want to make sure that you get to.

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Because then as you kind of trail off, because as we're saying, podcasts are

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about conversations, they wind and weave.

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If you have that bullet point, you could just look over it really

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quick and say, let's bring it back to the second bullet point.

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You know, I mean, you wouldn't tell them that it's a bullet point, of

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course, but the idea is that you have them written down so that if you feel

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kind of like off in a different place.

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To be able to bring it back.

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And then another tip that I have is, as you were saying about thinking,

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listening to your guests, asking follow up questions is so key.

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So come in with some questions that you want to ask, but don't get to all of them.

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Like don't, we can, my least favorite type of an interview is

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when it feels like question, answer, question, answer, like have it flow.

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And the best way to do that is by asking follow up questions.

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Best way to ask follow up questions then would be like low hanging fruit

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is emotions or zeroing in on a time.

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So how did you feel when that was all happening?

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Like even having that as a follow up, were you nervous?

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Like that just is able to let your guest expand more on who they are,

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their thoughts, and their feelings.

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Or the other one that I was just saying that's now slipped my mind, but Oh,

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moments that you want to say, I want to really zero in on this exact moment when

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you went from journalism to community management, like what you just did earlier

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in the interview of how did that pivot happen, like zeroing in on moments and

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feelings and emotions are really easy ways to follow up with your guests.

Rachael Botfield: 00:13:21

That's great advice.

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I think that if you are nervous as well, it's easy to forget

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that it is a conversation as well.

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And I think I did, I remember feeling very bad for the first few

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ladies that I interviewed because I just got very like, I got lost.

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I couldn't remember what they said and I'd like, Oh, did I ask that question

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or did they answer that question?

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So it was quite rigid in that way.

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And I think that's, sometimes.

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our own little downfall if we are too rigid within our own what we have our

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expectation of what we think the podcast interview or chat is going to be like and

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then this is like what it's in reality.

Kendall Breitman: 00:13:58

I mean like if you think about it like a conversation do you go

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into a conversation with your friend being like I need to ask them about how their

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week was I need to ask them what they ate last night you know like we we'd wind

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and weave through our conversations and so the more that you can make something

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seem natural, the more that it's going to engage people and make people want to

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pop in their headphones, walk through, like go on their commute and listen to

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the conversations that you're having.

Rachael Botfield: 00:14:26

So how long have you worked at Riverside now?

Kendall Breitman: 00:14:31

I have been here, I believe, a bit over half a year,

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which it feels like longer just because it's been like the amount of work

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that we've done in the community has been a crazy amount since I joined.

Kendall Breitman: 00:14:43

It's been really exciting, but yeah, apparently, apparently only a half a year.

Rachael Botfield: 00:14:48

It's amazing.

Rachael Botfield: 00:14:49

I think since COVID that.

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It feels like a weird time suck.

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I can't remember like, was it this year, that year?

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I think it's like changed my perception on how I'm viewing time.

Rachael Botfield: 00:14:58

Oh, same.

Rachael Botfield: 00:14:59

How have you felt like the shift between journalism and

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doing the community manager?

Rachael Botfield: 00:15:04

I know you said that you moved countries as well.

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And was that a big impact on what you, on, on how you worked,

Rachael Botfield: 00:15:13

how you felt within your role?

Kendall Breitman: 00:15:15

Yeah.

Kendall Breitman: 00:15:16

I mean, when you're a journalist, like it's.

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Every day or all your work is kind of like cut out for you in a way that I

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would like, I need a story filed by this time and this date on this topic.

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Or I go around and ask a bunch of different people questions and then

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I pitch I want to write a story on.

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Why voters are driven by X and then kind of making a story out of that.

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I know the deadline.

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I know the date community management is a new, like it's not new in the

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way that it's always been around, but for it to be a role and for it to be

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something that marketing that we're focusing on is new in the industry.

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And so every community manager that I speak to does things differently.

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Based on the community that they're managing.

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So my, it's less cut out for you and more like, okay, I talked with, instead

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of 20 different voters, I talked with 20 different community members.

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I think that they all would really benefit from X, you know, and from their creating.

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Kind of out of thin air, like, okay, let's create a program about this.

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Let's create a guide about this, a webinar.

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So it's a lot more getting to exercise your own creative mind on thinking

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like, what does my day look like?

Kendall Breitman: 00:16:36

Well, how do I accomplish this?

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So definitely that was kind of the hard part for me when I started,

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cause I'm used to it being very clear on expectations and output.

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And with community management, it's just like the cool part

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about it is the flexibility of it.

Rachael Botfield: 00:16:53

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:16:53

So

Rachael Botfield: 00:16:53

you've not got those kind of strict set things that you have

Rachael Botfield: 00:16:56

to achieve in, in like the way you would in journalism and news.

Kendall Breitman: 00:17:01

Exactly.

Kendall Breitman: 00:17:01

It's like, it's build a, build a community that creates value for people.

Kendall Breitman: 00:17:06

and engages people.

Kendall Breitman: 00:17:08

And it's like, okay, so how do I do that?

Kendall Breitman: 00:17:10

Is it like, let's try this, let's try that.

Kendall Breitman: 00:17:13

It's a lot.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:13

That's such a big question.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:15

How do you do, how do you build a community?

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:17

Cause that's, it's, it is something that we're told over and over again

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:21

in our marketing and everything.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:23

This is what you need to do.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:23

You need to find your community, build a community, but it's, it's

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:27

I think it's very easily said.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:30

But what if, and if you're the one leading that community, hoping to

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:33

bring in these people to have this, you know, meeting of whatever, you

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:38

know, of podcasters or whatever you want to achieve with your community.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:43

So my friend Sarah and I have started a.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:46

podcast community as well.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:47

We are called the West Midlands podcast club.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:51

And we, I think, well, we have about 70 members now.

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:55

And we do like a regular meetup, but we have a Slack channel that we kind

Rachael Botfield: 00:17:59

of like as, as our chosen kind of like to communicate and, and that's

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:04

something that I'd like to increase the engagement and things like

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:07

that within those kind of channels.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:11

And just, it's more just about wanting to connect with other podcasters or aspiring

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:14

podcasters and just talk about podcasting.

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:17

Is that kind of like, like your aim within Your Riverside communities talking with

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:23

podcasters, is it, is that, is that kind of feeling that you can, you know, you

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:27

just wanna talk about everything that we come up against as podcasters or podcast

Rachael Botfield: 00:18:31

hosts and how we want to move forward with our podcasts and things like that?

Kendall Breitman: 00:18:36

Yeah, so actually I would say that there's not like one

Kendall Breitman: 00:18:39

size fits all for every community, but when I said before about journalism

Kendall Breitman: 00:18:44

and the way that you collect a bunch of stories and then figure

Kendall Breitman: 00:18:46

out what's the story behind it?

Kendall Breitman: 00:18:48

That would be my number one recommendation.

Kendall Breitman: 00:18:50

When I first started at Riverside, I spoke with a ton of different community

Kendall Breitman: 00:18:55

members and I came in thinking, okay, like I'm from journalism.

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:00

We we like we're driven by networking and making connections

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:04

cause that's kind of your currency.

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:06

In, in that world.

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:08

So I came in thinking people want to network and make connections.

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:11

But then when I started digging deeper into it and listening to people's stories

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:15

and listening to what they want, it seemed like they wanted to make those connections

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:19

in order to learn or get inspired or have somebody to ask their questions to, or as

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:24

Riverside's a remote recording platform, you know, it can be lonely when you're

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:28

remotely recording all of the time.

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:31

So community in that way, I decided.

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:35

For this community was going to be focused on learning, making you

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:39

a better creator, but also making you feel heard by the product.

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:42

So it's kind of like a flow chart in the way that we're giving learning

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:47

opportunities, a chance to connect with other creators, virtually in

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:52

person, those types of opportunities to make you a stronger creator.

Kendall Breitman: 00:19:56

And then they give back feedback, things like that, so that

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:01

we can improve the product.

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:02

And then we give back to them, Hey, we saw that you wanted the

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:07

ability to edit your transcript.

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:09

Now it's available.

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:10

So it's about feeling like they're learning and they're being listened to.

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:14

Those are my two kind of like L takeaways.

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:17

So I would say for communities, finding what people from your community

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:24

would actually want and benefit from.

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:25

So if you're a, are you going to want, like, are these people

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:29

driven by wanting to connect with each other about the podcast?

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:32

Are they driven by wanting to connect with like, everyone share a recipe today?

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:36

What's something that like trying to figure out what makes them, what

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:41

drives them to be part of a community.

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:43

And then my little pro tip is.

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:46

If you have a community for your podcast, I would mention it in

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:50

your podcast from now and then.

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:51

So I would say, Oh my gosh, we had the funniest conversation over in

Kendall Breitman: 00:20:55

the community group where one of the, one of our members, Sarah said this.

Kendall Breitman: 00:21:01

And the listeners, if they love your podcast, now they think I'm

Kendall Breitman: 00:21:04

missing out on half the conversation.

Kendall Breitman: 00:21:06

There's a whole conversation I didn't hear, I need to go listen.

Kendall Breitman: 00:21:10

So that would kind of be my tip for driving people to your community

Kendall Breitman: 00:21:14

if, if it's based off of a podcast.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:17

Oh yeah, I, I love that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:18

That's a, that's a really good idea.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:21

Yeah, the community's not directly.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:24

about my podcast, but my podcast is about helping women in business

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:29

get started with their podcast.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:31

And the communities for everybody who either wants to start a podcast already

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:35

has one, you know, it's for all levels.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:37

And I would say based on what a lot of people have said within the community

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:42

and what we've had, those conversations is, is about that people want

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:45

learning, mainly like a lot of about growth, or tips on how to get started.

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:51

You know, what do you use for recording and editing and some

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:54

marketing and promotional things?

Rachael Botfield: 00:21:56

So I think learning, learn, I mean, connection, I think, because you're right,

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:01

it is, it is lonely when you're recording, you know, remotely as fantastic as it is.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:06

And I think it is so fantastic that we can record remotely, especially.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:10

With this software, and if you want to do video, it's so easy.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:13

If you wanted to do a two person interview in a studio with video, you

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:17

know, you'd have to have two cameras and all of those kind of things set

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:20

up to make it look much slicker.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:23

So I think this is such a fabulous way to do it.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:25

But yeah, it is, it is nice to speak to other people who

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:29

are in the same boat as you.

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:30

It's always nice to know that someone feels the same as you,

Rachael Botfield: 00:22:33

whatever that kind of feeling is.

Kendall Breitman: 00:22:36

Yeah.

Kendall Breitman: 00:22:36

So, yeah.

Kendall Breitman: 00:22:37

And I would also say when you're talking about women in, in business

Kendall Breitman: 00:22:40

and entrepreneurship, I mean, it can be intimidating for people to start a

Kendall Breitman: 00:22:44

podcast, but I always encourage people like to hop on Riverside and just

Kendall Breitman: 00:22:48

record a meeting that they're having.

Kendall Breitman: 00:22:50

And even that is just.

Kendall Breitman: 00:22:52

Content just like if you're a CEO logging on with another like C level like

Kendall Breitman: 00:22:58

person at your company and just pressing record and just talking for 30 minutes,

Kendall Breitman: 00:23:03

like that can even be your podcast.

Kendall Breitman: 00:23:06

So just like not being afraid to just hit record and see how it works out

Kendall Breitman: 00:23:11

because podcasting can seem intimidating.

Kendall Breitman: 00:23:13

But when you have software like Riverside and you could just press record and

Kendall Breitman: 00:23:16

have your meeting, there's so many little pieces of content that you could

Kendall Breitman: 00:23:21

even take out of it beyond a podcast.

Kendall Breitman: 00:23:23

Maybe it's for social, maybe it's you can download it and send it out internally

Kendall Breitman: 00:23:27

to your staff so that they get a little bit of FaceTime and hear from you.

Kendall Breitman: 00:23:31

So there are a bunch of different ways to repurpose content, repurpose

Kendall Breitman: 00:23:34

video, audio, all of that, that can really drive your business goals.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:39

Yeah, I, I love repurposing.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:43

I think it's so valuable to be repurposing my, one of my friends, Hannah, who

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:48

I also manage her podcast for her.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:50

She does like six months of content.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:53

She bulk kind of batches.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:55

She has these t shirts that say.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:57

Batch it crazy.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:58

It's really great.

Rachael Botfield: 00:23:58

I love it so great.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:01

I need to get some of her merch, but she's got a podcast called the showing up solo

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:04

podcast, which is aimed at solopreneurs and who want to get started with their

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:08

marketing, but don't know where to start.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:10

They might've started a business.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:11

So she's kind of like that ground up marketing.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:14

But she kind of has like a really great method about turning, like

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:18

getting every last little bit of gold dust out of your content.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:21

So, you know, you're recording a video.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:24

So you've got it for a video, you can have it for a podcast, you can have it for a

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:27

blog, you break it down into your social media captions Instagram reels, YouTube

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:32

shorts, all of those types of things.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:33

You can use like, like rinse it for every bit of content that you can.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:37

And then a lot of it is evergreen because you.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:42

You know, unless you are a daily news podcast, you are creating content

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:47

that's going to be relevant for your audience, depending on what, you

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:50

know, at what point they're joining you in their journey, where they are.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:54

So yeah, big, big on repurposing.

Rachael Botfield: 00:24:56

I like to, cause I think it's so easy to forget, especially if you are a

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:00

solopreneur and you're a business owner and you know, there's a lot of pressure

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:04

with marketing and coming up with content ideas that you have a podcast episode.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:08

Great.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:08

It's gone out.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:09

And then that's like the last.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:10

the last it's ever heard of.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:12

And it's such a shame because you've created, spent so much time creating

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:16

that episode that, you know, people still want to hear that conversation.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:20

People still want to hear that advice you have to give and then, you know,

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:24

having the opportunity to, to share that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:26

Again and again is, is really valuable and yeah, and what I do

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:30

love about Riverside at the moment is those magic clips that they do.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:34

Oh yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:35

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:36

Some of them are a little bit off, like I haven't got them all,

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:40

but I think I always ask it to do them and then I go through them.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:44

I tweak them sometimes, but it makes my audiograms.

Rachael Botfield: 00:25:48

a Lot quicker, , with the magic clips.

Kendall Breitman: 00:25:50

Yeah.

Kendall Breitman: 00:25:50

I mean, so the magic clips is just like AI identifying the most

Kendall Breitman: 00:25:54

engaging moments from your episode.

Kendall Breitman: 00:25:55

And so it's really like, I found like when I do webinars for Riverside, I find

Kendall Breitman: 00:26:01

that it's like, it does it pretty, pretty well, like it identifies like some moments

Kendall Breitman: 00:26:04

that I even forgot about and makes it so much faster to really like take these

Kendall Breitman: 00:26:09

clips to put repurpose on social media.

Kendall Breitman: 00:26:12

But you know, it's a, it's a robot, so I take some comfort in the, in

Kendall Breitman: 00:26:16

the fact that it hasn't completely taken over my creative brain yet, but

Kendall Breitman: 00:26:20

you know, it's just a matter, it's just a matter of time as it refines.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:24

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:25

I thought, well, I'm just amazed at some of the things that AI can do

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:28

and it does make It's so much easier.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:31

I mean, I, I tend to listen back.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:32

So when I'm doing my editing process, I will, when I edit my episodes, I will

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:37

take notes and, you know, make little timestamps of where I might like to

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:41

have an audiogram and things like that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:43

But then having , those magic AI, like you said, sometimes it pulls up those

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:47

clips so easily that I will, you know, listen to them and make sure that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:51

They're the point that I want to get across, but, and it names them

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:54

as well, and I find that so handy.

Rachael Botfield: 00:26:56

It just, it just makes the whole process a lot slicker and a lot quicker.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:00

I Think that's what we should be with AI, not worried about it, about

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:05

it, kind of stealing our jobs, but in terms of helping us support.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:10

With our clients and with our, with our own work, that it can just

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:14

help us get things done quicker.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:16

You can get a lot more output.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:17

If you people want more output, you could create, you know, twice as much

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:20

stuff for people if you wanted to.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:22

So I just think it's, I've been playing around a lot with AI and I've just found

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:26

it really, really quite interesting.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:28

And I, I used Descript and they've got some new AI tools and it has a

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:32

lovely one that sums it all up for you.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:34

And I thought it was so good.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:36

I really enjoyed that.

Kendall Breitman: 00:27:37

Well you know, well, maybe we have, we have something

Kendall Breitman: 00:27:40

coming up as well on that front.

Kendall Breitman: 00:27:42

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:44

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:44

That's exciting.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:45

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:27:45

I did say that cause I do, you do have the transcription as well.

Kendall Breitman: 00:27:48

There's so much you could do with the transcription too.

Kendall Breitman: 00:27:50

I mean, like you can also, like, once you have the transcription, you

Kendall Breitman: 00:27:53

can use that to create show notes.

Kendall Breitman: 00:27:55

You can use that to create bios or social media posts, anything like that.

Kendall Breitman: 00:27:59

So it's cool.

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:00

I would say that I'm less like, Oh, AI is coming for the jobs and more

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:05

thinking that As I'm, as we're trying to continue to be valuable in this

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:12

market, that knowing how to use AI and leverage AI is just a really important

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:18

skill to be able to have right now.

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:19

And it's not that hard.

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:20

It's just once you actually get the use of the, once you actually get used to it,

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:25

you can really leverage that to be able to say like, I can get my work done faster.

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:30

I'm able to, I know how to train an AI bot.

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:33

I know how to like, to be able to show all of that.

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:35

Just.

Kendall Breitman: 00:28:36

I think helps in the market now.

Rachael Botfield: 00:28:38

Absolutely.

Rachael Botfield: 00:28:39

And it's where the technology is going at the moment and trying to kind of keep

Rachael Botfield: 00:28:44

up with, you know, what's happening within the industry, whatever industry

Rachael Botfield: 00:28:47

that you're in, and obviously for here, podcasting, but I think that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:28:52

Yeah, it's, it's such, it's such a big influence at the moment.

Rachael Botfield: 00:28:55

And I think kind of just backing away from it, it's not, not

Rachael Botfield: 00:28:58

really going to do you any favors.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:00

Does it mean you have to if you don't enjoy using it, but I think just giving

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:04

it a try, cause I, I hadn't tried chat, GBT it was a few months ago now, and I was

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:09

on my friend Hannah's podcast and we are having a conversation about AI and another

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:14

lady that was on the podcast as well, she was she's a Squarespace expert and she was

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:19

talking about how she has a conversation with her AI and she says, please,

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:23

and thank you, and things like this.

Kendall Breitman: 00:29:25

Oh, I do the same thing.

Kendall Breitman: 00:29:26

Yeah.

Kendall Breitman: 00:29:27

I'm like, if you're gonna come take my job, I'll be nice.

Kendall Breitman: 00:29:29

to them in the meantime, I literally say, will you please sum up this?

Kendall Breitman: 00:29:33

I was doing a webinar and I wrote like, please sum up this

Kendall Breitman: 00:29:36

and somebody in the chat said.

Kendall Breitman: 00:29:39

Do you have to like, say please and thank you?

Kendall Breitman: 00:29:41

And I was like, no, that's just me.

Kendall Breitman: 00:29:44

I've said,

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:44

I've started to say please and thank you.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:47

But he seems, he goes, Oh, you're welcome.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:49

And does all the replies to you.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:50

But I, I hadn't originally thought about it as a conversation.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:54

I thought about it as like a Google search kind of putting it in.

Rachael Botfield: 00:29:58

But when I started thinking about it as a conversation about trying, you know, like

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:03

I, I put in a transcript and then say, you know, could you turn this into this?

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:07

Or could you pick out some highlighting points and things?

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:10

And it just it just seemed to click for me and it felt like I could.

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:15

Just with that conversation, get what I would like out of the AI to help

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:21

support you rather than thinking that, you know, it's just, a know it all

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:25

and it's going to tell you what to do.

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:27

And

Kendall Breitman: 00:30:28

yeah, exactly.

Kendall Breitman: 00:30:29

Yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:30

So yeah.

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:31

So don't be afraid of AI.

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:32

Give it a try.

Kendall Breitman: 00:30:34

Exactly.

Kendall Breitman: 00:30:34

Give it a try.

Kendall Breitman: 00:30:35

You know?

Kendall Breitman: 00:30:36

Give it a try.

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:38

Well, it's been so great talking to you today, Kendall do you

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:41

have any last little thoughts to anyone who might be starting a podcast or maybe

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:49

you know, the benefit of maybe joining a community like you host at Riverside

Rachael Botfield: 00:30:52

to help, you know, with your podcast and, and, and the learning aspect there?

Kendall Breitman: 00:30:58

Yeah, I'll do a two for one and say that if

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:00

you're looking to start a podcast, I really would recommend it.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:03

I'm not just saying this because I'm the community manager of

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:05

this group, but on Facebook Conversation Creators by Riverside.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:09

fm.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:11

That is the community group.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:12

We have like over 12 and a half thousand creators on there and it's just.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:19

There, every question has been asked.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:21

I mean, you can probably find some that haven't been asked, I'm

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:23

sure, but and ask them yourself.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:26

But people are really, what I find really amazing about this

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:31

community, not just Riversides, but in general, the podcasting community.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:35

Is that people unlike journalism are really, really willing to help.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:40

Like having your sources in journalism is like very, that's your currency.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:46

And so here in podcasting, I found that people are really willing

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:50

to share what equipment they're using, how they're coming up with

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:53

better questions, all of that.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:54

So not being afraid to ask, there are no stupid questions.

Kendall Breitman: 00:31:59

There are tons of people who are willing to help find a podcaster.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:04

That you like, find a podcast that you like, find somebody on social media that

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:10

you love what they're posting and see this, try to reach out to them and ask

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:14

them questions or go on to our community group that I mentioned and they're just.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:19

A ton of creators who are willing to answer questions, help each

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:23

other out, and it's inspirational.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:25

You get to see what other people are working on, see what's working, get

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:28

creative, constructive criticism.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:30

So I would say in this industry, leveraging communities.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:34

is key.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:36

And I would also take it a step further.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:38

If you have a podcast about a certain topic, I mean, we all,

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:42

that's what you're podcasting about.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:44

Hope there's a topic joining other communities to try to

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:47

get inspiration from them.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:48

So if you have a health and wellness podcast, joining these health and wellness

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:52

communities, seeing what people are talking about, getting inspired by that.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:56

So.

Kendall Breitman: 00:32:57

Using the power of community to inspire you and also learn from people, I would

Kendall Breitman: 00:33:02

say is a great first step and I hesitate using the word first step because you can

Kendall Breitman: 00:33:09

kind of just keep stepping back to it, you know, so that's what I would recommend.

Rachael Botfield: 00:33:14

Thank you.

Rachael Botfield: 00:33:15

That's, that's great advice and we will leave all the links to that in the

Rachael Botfield: 00:33:19

show notes so you can find that easily.

Rachael Botfield: 00:33:21

Also, we'll pop in your LinkedIn there if people would like to

Rachael Botfield: 00:33:25

get in touch with you and have a conversation with you after the podcast.

Kendall Breitman: 00:33:29

I would love that, really.

Kendall Breitman: 00:33:30

If anyone wants to reach out, please do.

Kendall Breitman: 00:33:32

We'll put the link in the show notes, but I love to have these conversations,

Kendall Breitman: 00:33:36

learn more about what you're working on.

Kendall Breitman: 00:33:38

Find ways to collaborate.

Kendall Breitman: 00:33:39

I mean, that's the way that.

Kendall Breitman: 00:33:40

that we met each other.

Kendall Breitman: 00:33:41

So I would, I really welcome it and would love to continue the conversation there.

Rachael Botfield: 00:33:47

Yeah, it's been great connecting with you.

Rachael Botfield: 00:33:49

And yes I contributed to the guides and that Kendall mentioned for

Rachael Botfield: 00:33:53

the community guides, which was, I was very I felt very honored to be

Rachael Botfield: 00:33:56

asked and it was really exciting.

Rachael Botfield: 00:33:59

So I'm, I'm hoping that they're going out to help somebody.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:03

Yeah, I'm really excited to, to release them.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:05

So basically these are just got, I found that.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:09

Everyone watches YouTube videos and makes their own list of all the things they

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:12

need to do when they're first starting out, but we're kind of just distilling

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:15

information into easy to use guides.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:18

And that was what, when we were talking earlier about trying to figure out little

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:22

ways to entice people in the community and actually get value out of it.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:26

So that was one of the first ways that.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:28

We had identified was this creating, like sharing information in an

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:32

accessible way through these guides.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:34

So really excited to have worked with you on that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:34:37

Brilliant.

Rachael Botfield: 00:34:38

Yes.

Rachael Botfield: 00:34:38

So I look forward to, to looking at some of the other guides

Rachael Botfield: 00:34:41

that are out there as well.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:42

Yeah, we got a lot of cool ones on podcast monetization.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:46

We've got a checklist for promoting on social.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:49

I just finished working on one for a, like a release form.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:55

Like a template release form, if people need that just copy and paste.

Kendall Breitman: 00:34:58

So those kinds of things we're trying to cover really every step of the

Kendall Breitman: 00:35:03

podcasting journey in some sort of guide.

Rachael Botfield: 00:35:06

They sound really valuable.

Rachael Botfield: 00:35:07

When they're all released and everything, you'll have to let me know.

Rachael Botfield: 00:35:10

And I will of course share it with everybody here as well.

Rachael Botfield: 00:35:12

And so everyone can find those and have a look and see what they need from them.

Kendall Breitman: 00:35:16

Absolutely.

Kendall Breitman: 00:35:17

I'd love that.

Rachael Botfield: 00:35:18

Brilliant.

Rachael Botfield: 00:35:19

Well, thanks again, Kendall, and we'll see you soon.

Rachael Botfield: 00:35:21

Thanks everybody.

Rachael Botfield: 00:35:22

Bye.